Category: the Rant Board
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Thoughs of you who follow me on twitter know that i am a very angry individual and i will speak my mind, so if your offended by bad language and contravercy this bored topic isn’t foryou.
Ok so lets do this.
Fuck diplomatic writeing i’ll leave that to the politicians and there bull shit. This post is regarding a specific user, and i will name her because i think she should be named and shamed. Miss Rachael91, this is aimed at you. she posted one of the most vile, the most disgusting the most grotesque status’s i think i’ve ever seen on here.
"congratulations
America! Good work now it's time to wipe the world free of the horrid
religion also known as islam."
Excuse you miss thing? who in the blue hell do you think you are? You take the moral high ground because of what? Because your American? And you believe everything fox news and cnn tell you? are you so uneducated that you can’t sit down and do some research in to the faith you so easily criticise? You listen to glen beck and Limbaugh and you think what these racist idiots spout is the truth. Let me also clarify i don’t believe every American is an ignorant person, most of you are intelligent human beings who do your research, and talk to people before you make an informed opinion on something.
You know what has irritated me the most? The thing that has really pissed me the fuck off is that the people that spout this religious hatred, these low expectation ever mother fuckers who talk this ignorance are the same people who accuse muslims of this same exact crime.
Does that make you feel better huh Rachael love? How does it feel to be put in the same category as an Islamic extremist? Is that what you want?
Now i’d like to ask a few questions of the zone universe at large, and i don’t blame the cls at all for this, but it seems to be wrong to say i’d like to kill some n***asand wipe them off this earth, thats racial hatred, but religious hatred is ok? She is quite free to say she wants America to whipe out the whole religion of islam is that what i’m meant to believe?
oh Rachael love i do pitty your ignorance, you blame a whole faith for something a fool did, have you forgotten or do you not want to know because your a fuckin idiot that muslims died in the world trade centre too? Oh but wait they were muslims, they deserve to die because it was a Quote unquote muslim who braught down the twin towers? Give me a fuckin break.
Nearly a million people killed over 10 years and your are rejoicing over the death of 1 person. Pretty fucked up ratio don’t you think?
Oh but you want to wipe out a whole religion, isn’t that what hitlerr wanted to do with the jews no? Am i wrong Rachael?
Let me pose another question to the zone universe If i were so stupid, and so ignorant as to ever put up a status saying, i want to kill every Christian for the damage they have done to Iraq, Afghanistan and for all the women and children that have died at there hands, a show of hands how many of you think i’d be banned straight away?
I thaught so
?. What if i said i want to whipe out the jewish people because they are occupying Land that isn’t there’s? Would i not be banned?
You damn write i would? But the cls hands are tied, they can’t do anything, its easy because its islam bashing, and its the status quoe now a days no?
Rachael if you don’t like what i’ve written, you know what you can do? Kiss my charismatic ass. I could give less of a fuck about your opinion at this point if i tried.
Now let me address The normal, the people that like to learn about things, i’m going to post a link as to how muslims should be treating Christians, as told to us by the proffet Muhammad. You here that Rachael love? The proffet, so take your religious hatred else ware because we don’t fuckin want it.
http://www.cyberistan.org/islamic/charter1.html
this may be my last bored topic on here, but you know what? Someone needed to say it, and if i go down, i won’t regret it at all, i won’t show any remorse, i won’t take anything back, i take full responsibility for everything i’ve written. I don’t hate Americans, i’m in love with one for heavens sake. I respect Christians and jews, and all faiths.
rachael your views on islam are totally unfounded and false. go and research the religion then we can talk, untill then sit down, and let the grown ups do the talking? you make yourself sound like a retarded idiot, and if you believe what you wrote in that status, i'm sorry to say you are one.
good bye maybe zone.
Thank you for reading my anger.
I understand it made you mad. You have valid points as well about the Muslim religion. People just don't educate themselves. However; see how you are allow to say your peace, or opinion? This is freedom of speech. She did the same, mis guided, or not, but it was her opinion. The difference with free speech, and attacking some one verbally with a racial name or slur, is that you are attacking someone personally. She did not. You might not have agreed with her statement, however, you were perfectly allowed to make yours. Educate, post some positive stuff about Islam, as the Christians do. That is also allowed. Peace brother!
I certainly believe in the saying "Live and Let Live". In other words, is it right that she said we should wipe out the Muslim religion? Absolutely not, in my opinion, but everybody has an opinion; some more extreme than others. This is the rant board, and I definitely think you're definitely within your rights and certainly should not be banned for posting your obvious extreme disagreement with what she said. However, every group, no matter what their beliefs always have their extremeists. I don't like it either, but honestly, just don't bother with those who can't be bothered to keep an open mind and do their research. they're not worth you're time. I would just leave it at that.
there's IMO a difference between free speach in terms of disagreeing with what someone believes and expressed hatred against a specific group of individuals. So for instance:
You might say "I take issue with islam because it is an opressive religion; their women are forced to cover up; have very few rights; it is full of extremest suicide bombers wanting to kill us all in the name of their religion." or "the catholic church is corrupt beyond any measure; paedophilia is rife and the church helps cover it up; victims are threatened unless they keep quiet; if priests weren't forced to abstane they wouldn't all be paedophiles."
That is free speach and a matter of opinion. Equally you could say:
"Black people are more likely to commit crime; are considered to be less inteligent; many of the african cultures indulge in some dubious practices such as the driving out of demons and the like and genetal mutilation."
Again, opinion sometimes based on fact, sometimes based on ignorance but still just opinion and comes under the term of free speach.
The line for me is crossed when you start expressing hatred of people for being of said religion/minority group. "time to rid the world of the religion that is islam" might as well read "time to rid the world of muslims." And when you consider that in some countries that has actually happened in the name of "ethnic cleansing" it to me is no different than being racist. Replace "time to rid the world of the religion that is islam" with "time to rid the world of black/asians/the race that is american/australian/african, or the disabled/women/gays" and we simply wouldn't tolerate.
I think anything is up for debate and discussion.
Racial/religious hatred though is not freedom of speach - it is hatred.
I do see however that the offending status has now been removed.
firstly, if people would like to learn about islam, and what the teachings are, i'm quite happy to answer questions on the topic. however what i do find so hard to understand, is the fact, that no matter how much i try and promote the peaceful and tollerent side of islam, someone will allways try and push a button with in me, to ware i react and say something which i later regret. look at my posts on writers block, and how i'm against the war, or how i dissagree with what muslim extremists do in the name of my faith. i was also braught up in the west, and just because i believe in a faith that is different to yours, does that make me any less of a human being than you are? why is it that religious hatred is aloud on here, and people call it freedom of speach, but calling someone a n**a is exceptible in some cases.
"thats her view and she is aloud to express her views" really? so religious hatred is aloud in america because its in the constatution of freedom of speach? i hope not.
let me say one thing here, i am a muslim, and proud to be one. i have tried, and i have tried to keep calm, and not react to such ignorence and such utter hate, but every human being has a breaking point, and every human being will react at some point. i guess seeing that status was mine.
i respect eeryone has a write to an oppinion, but spouting religious hatred isn't the way to go. if you have an issue with a religion back up your facts, and have a propper arguement instead of making a blanket statement of lets get rid of this horrid religion of islam.
again i will not appologise for the post, because these are my feelings. i like and respect thoughs of you on here, who except all faiths and religions. i have no problems with americans or thewest. let me clarrify that, and if you do have a question about islam, please ask, instead of believeing what you read in the media.
Unfortunately yes, religious hatred and speaking out is allowed in the united states. Everyone is allowed to have there opinion, and is even allowed to assemble to peacefully express that opinion. Even the skin-heads who call for the extermination of jews, gays, catholics, blacks, immigrants and probably a few I'm forgetting, is covered under the freedom of speech. They are allowed to publish books, and even hold rallies to express their views.
However, they are not allowed to act out. Killing someone because your a skin-head, is not freedom of speech, its just murder, plain and simple. Your breaking the law, whether its in political or social protest, or because that jew was bangin' your wife, doesn't matter.
Now, while the speech is covered under the constitution, the idiocy is not. I don't mind you hating something, I hate a lot of things, but at least know what your hating. Don't hate the idea you were told to hate, ask questions, you should always question everything, all the time.
Now, I don't know if the culture of islam calls for the covering of women. I know several muslim women who live in the US that don't cover up. I don't know if that is a religious or a cultural thing. I don't really like it, because I don't feel women are property, but its not my place to tell someone they're wrong.
If your going to speak out against something, you should know about it. Even if your opinions are the most idiotic thing I've ever heard, if you at least know what your talking about when it comes to the research, I can respect your opinions at least a little.
What she said was wrong, and tasteless. What Faraaz said was right, and righteously angry. I don't think either one of them should be banned for what they said.
If we start banning people for voicing idiotic opinions about a subject, we won't have anyone left on the zone. Conversely, if we ban people for defending their religion or beliefs, we'd have quite a few less people on the zone.
No one should be banned for expressing or defending an opinion.
A few things here. I had a mind to post to this as soon as it was put up, but I wanted to see the posts from other users before I did. As a friend of mine advised me, "hold your fire till overnight." Smile.
First, Faraaz, as I've told you, nothing in your post is banworthy in my opinion. If we can't touch Rachel for what she said, then you're certainly safe in the things you said, and of course you should not apologize for your post or your anger.
Claire, that was an awesome post. Thank you for making those distinctions between voicing opinions, even ones based in utter ignorance and idiocy, vs. hatred. You gave far better examples and worded it far better than I could have.
Cody, I disagree with you slightly. Faraaz was, and is, rightfully angry. He was not the only user complaining about that status when it was first put up. JJ has said what others here probably say: that Rachel's status was directed at religion, not people. But as Claire and i have argued, to get rid of a certain faith bracket, you need to get rid of its people: therefore her status may just as well have said, "rid the world of all Muslims." I would have banned her for that status if I'd had my way, which obviously I did not. We've banned for anti-Jewish jokes on here. See the case of Cam, AKA Shark. Why not this as well?
I often get concerned about going down a slippery slope where freedom of speech on the Zone is concerned. If we banned for everything we disliked, we wouldn't have a Zone, as Cody rightly pointed out. But I personally feel we are being inconsistent on this. If this had been a racist comment, we likely would have been told to act upon it. I personally feel we should add religion into term 6 of the TOS, which is the one that mentions racial issues. Indeed the reason Faraaz edited the N word by putting those asterisks in it was because he knew that using such a word could get him in trouble around here, even though he was not calling anyone that. So the N word can, but not this?
As I said, I would have banned Rachel if I'd had my way, but obviously I did not. Interestingly enough, one of her statuses yesterday was criticizing JJ for making changes to the Zone. Changes which every other user seems to support and is thanking JJ for doing of his own initiative. But more interesting than that, Rachel is criticizing the very admin who has defended her to the rest of the staff. She needs no more than her statuses to prove her idiocy.
Now personally I have had bad experiences...me personally not listening on Fox News or some other source but face to face experiences...with Muslims from a certain part of the world. Even so, I don't feel comfortable with ANY faith being maligned or made fun of. It isn't revelations like the Qu'ran that are the problem, but human interpretation and other perversions, for example, one Muslim majority nation I am familiar with offered the spoils of French socialism to its citizens, and they come where I live expecting handouts, which clearly is not in the Qu'ran, which I have read in English translation. There are plenty of verses about not taking food from the mouths of the hungry or money/property from widows and orphans, yet that is what these folks do and lax welfare laws in the Commonwealth allow it. But as I have said I'm not comfortable with the revelation itself being made fun of, as many don't learn the history of its revelations. For example they laugh at "four wives", yet this was revealed when monogamy didn't exist and there were no limits on the number of wives a man could have and dump just by turning his back, whereas Islamic divorce, as revealed in Surah At-Talaq, is a bit more complicated.
That said, I think everyone has a right to his or her own opinion and perhaps some of this should be private mailed to Miss Rachel? Also one thing I don't understand is how someone proud of a faith can use the 'f' word as my understanding is none of 'em tolerate profanity.
Some of us have spoken to Rachel privately about this. I know that I have, and I believe others have as well. And, Tentacles, we all do not live up to our faith as we should. Even the best of religious people don't always abide by their faith. Maybe I should be better about my language as well, but it's not a salvation issue, either. +2+
I love JJ for his opened mindness. I personally didn't like it, but I didn't mind her saying it, and was happy to see she could. The same for this post as I said before. I even suspect she had some that agree with her statement. An aside about the covering up. In Turkey a law was passed that women could not cover up in public and men had to wear hats. Police were physically taking the vails off women and fining men for not having on hats. The women didn't like it, and would not go out in public because of it. They sent others to do public shopping and such and went about in private, or by private transport, so they could remain covered. Some believe it is a sign of women hood. Thought I'd share that. Their's more, but I'd have to write a small book.
Agree with post 2. I may not always agree with people, but free speech is free speech and should be respected/protected.